as the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.
one such prophecy that bears review is the oft-quoted verse concerning the "increasing of lawlessness.
" typically the watchtower has pointed to increasing criminal lawlessness in the world as evidence of the fulfillment of that particular feature of the sign of christ's imminent arrival.
Sideshow Bob declaims: "And Jehovah's anointed ones are the issue."
Strip away all his blahblahblah, it boils down to this last sentence. Sideshow Bob sez: It's all about me me ME, the anointed Priest/King.
See Sideshow Bob, Hubris-man, try to levitate himself to God's right hand.
See Sideshow Bob grunt & fill his pants making the effort.
whom do you trust?
according to apostates, god and his word can't be trusted because the bible is unreliable and jehovah god is a baby killer and murderer of innocent people.
trusting the watchtower is out of the question, because obviously, the whole thrust of the apostasy is aimed at discrediting the watchtower so as to create wicked suspicions and distrust in the minds of trusting ones, apparently with some success.
See Sideshow Bob trot out his Cambodian killing fields refugee blurb YET again, trying to sell tickets to his imaginary horror show!
Re-runs don't sell the show, Bobby. Ho-hum, when you start repeating your anecdotes it's REALLY boring.
Come up with any more 'apparent' messages from Jehovah, SIdeshow Bob? BTW I like the way your tongue lolls when you channel your GOd... just like those New Age channelers!
folks, i know some of you feel a little peeved with the old h2o but i don't think you have been fair to the new one.
there is and will be a different attitude there and i have been assured of this by both rick and fd2.
i would like to encourage everyone here to cross post on h2o in the various forums .... let's make as many places as we can available for those who need support and questions answered .... theo nly wat to do that is let your past animosities go and think of those coming behind you.. if you have problems there then there is a forum you can post your complaints to and suggestiosn on what needs changing ... i just feel with the number of people here who could help those who come into h2o (and tishies board0 that we need to reach out a little more ..... go over and try it out folks and support others there too .......... http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=311102.
MD .... get past your animosity please and see to the needs of those who need support from ALL of us ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
See, here you are, again, TELLING me to see to the needs of those who need support.
My 'animosity' is directed toward your preachifying at message boards that are for discussion, not instruction; my animosity is to your insistence that unless we are all high-profile pushy preachers of the New Improved Gospel of Anti-Cultism and Recovery Therefrom, we are somehow doing wrong.
When people need my support, they ask me for it. I've made my testimonies and contributions at ex-JW and countercult sites. When a hurting soul contacts me I do my utmost to help ease their path. What I don't do is cruise the Internet looking for them, the virtual equivalent of taking bologna sandwiches to the homeless on Skid Row. I'm not a missionary. I have no religion to sell, not even a secular recovery religion.
Your periodic exhortations for all of us to follow your sterling example and 'do more for the cause' are part of your missionary complex. Do what you like, but don't keep telling us we have to follow your chosen path.
for me it was when i was about twelve years old and my best friends dad was disfellowshipped from the congregation.. i could not understand how a god of love would treat someone so coldly.. i used to think what if that was the way my parents would treat me if i had done something wrong, that would be so hard and cruel.. as i got older another thing that bothered me was the beard issue.
it may sound pretty trivial however the society has always refused to make a good arguement as to why they would give you the old cold shoulder if you were to grow one.. two more items; first i could not understand why all the congregations and all the assemblys would give income reports.
and the society never did.
JT, man, I genuinely love you! Wish I had a tenth the common sense and decency you display. It amazes me how fast and how clean you deTowered.
They lost a good man when your eyes opened up James. Enjoy your freedom. You deserve it richly.
"little short Charlie Horse"... I had a coffee-out-the-nose LOL over THAT one my friend!
for me it was when i was about twelve years old and my best friends dad was disfellowshipped from the congregation.. i could not understand how a god of love would treat someone so coldly.. i used to think what if that was the way my parents would treat me if i had done something wrong, that would be so hard and cruel.. as i got older another thing that bothered me was the beard issue.
it may sound pretty trivial however the society has always refused to make a good arguement as to why they would give you the old cold shoulder if you were to grow one.. two more items; first i could not understand why all the congregations and all the assemblys would give income reports.
and the society never did.
sitting in book study listening to the party line on the Eden story, I remember holding my baby boy and thinking how cruel and horrible a father big J was in that story: the whole thing lit up in this neon-yellow light in my head, how unfair to stack the deck that way! I was HORRIFIED by my own 'lack of appreciation' and squelched that little dangerous voice of reason so hard, it squeaked on the way down to my subconscious!
It kept coming back over the next few years, though. During one of those studies featuring the goofy chronology, common sense would rear its scary head and snicker at me for being such a gullible sucker. Ditto when I would read the nonsense about some piddly JW convention being fulfillment of some prophecy. I kept telling myself that I was a wrongheaded weak sinner, and trying to make myself feel grateful for all that 'spiritual food'.
When petty elder politicking in our cong became public, that little voice became more insistent. When an elder made a habit of tweaking me from the platform for knowing 'big words' ,it mocked me. When the donation arrangement kicked in, it started screaming at me.
Meetings were torture. I got a migraine every time I tried to sit and gratefully accept that hypocritical crap as spiritual food. I found it increasingly difficult to stay respectful of those horrible self-righteous 'shepherds' who were busy stabbing one another in the back.
When I got horribly ill with a systemic infection, it was too much effort to subject myself to those injections of poisonous thought while I was so sick. I quit even trying to go to the meetings. The fact that not one JW ever called or stopped by for any reason than to try to take some of my livelihood away, the fact that an elder in our cong was calling my bridge club ladies trying to solicit my cleaning jobs for other JWs behind my back, helped a lot in prying my eyes open to the reality of JWdom.
I slid out knowing it wasn't the truth, that it was in fact probably a crackpot cult, but I had no proof and no support. My suspicions about doctrine, hierarchy, and mind control were still just suspicions and conclusions drawn from direct observation. And I was on my own in a world I'd been taught all my life to fear and hate!
Years later, when hubby wired us up, I found search engines, and from there I found enough facts to verify my every suspicion and more. More importantly, I found other decent rational folks who had followed the exact same thought train out of the cult tunnel and into the light of reasonable thinking. It was very validating, and liberating, to know I am in such good company.
And every time I see what JW defenders have to say online, my gratitude for my own freedom increases. That slavery to fear and hatred was exhausting. I never found refreshment until I got out of their clutches. Now every breath is sweet.
folks, i know some of you feel a little peeved with the old h2o but i don't think you have been fair to the new one.
there is and will be a different attitude there and i have been assured of this by both rick and fd2.
i would like to encourage everyone here to cross post on h2o in the various forums .... let's make as many places as we can available for those who need support and questions answered .... theo nly wat to do that is let your past animosities go and think of those coming behind you.. if you have problems there then there is a forum you can post your complaints to and suggestiosn on what needs changing ... i just feel with the number of people here who could help those who come into h2o (and tishies board0 that we need to reach out a little more ..... go over and try it out folks and support others there too .......... http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=311102.
Jan said:
I just feel with the number of people here who could help those who come into H2O (and Tishies board0 that we need to reach out a little more ....
this just smacks of the same preachy mentality we had as dubs. As if we have some salvation message we need to be hawking around the internet.
I thought these were discussion boards, not preachment boards. Why should people be urged to go places where they have been shat upon? To play do-gooder? Ick!
If you want to troll all the message boards for souls to 'help' feel free, Jan. Make yourself a nice comprehensive web site for your endless articles, and post your urls everywhere, register with search engines, do your thing. But please don't tell everyone else to go where you go, do what you do, make your priorities ours. YOU may 'need' to reach out a little more. If you feel that way, REACH!
But don't tell us WE have to reach in the direction you tell us. Where and how and IF I 'reach out' is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
whom do you trust?
according to apostates, god and his word can't be trusted because the bible is unreliable and jehovah god is a baby killer and murderer of innocent people.
trusting the watchtower is out of the question, because obviously, the whole thrust of the apostasy is aimed at discrediting the watchtower so as to create wicked suspicions and distrust in the minds of trusting ones, apparently with some success.
It never occurred to Sideshow Bob that the vicious little messages he hears in his head (and yammers repeatedly like a demented carnival barker) might be from the demonic brood...he prefers to pretend God is the source of his vitriolic bile.
He asked God a question, and then came up with the answer himself.
"the answer I came up with is that apparently Jehovah just wanted..."
See the sleight-of-hand? He's so slick even BOBBY didn't consciously know he was doing it! He wants to insult and revile so much that he will pretend the urge is 'apprantly' from Jehovah! But his intentions are pure, so they MUST be godly!
Apparently Sideshow Bob is just another delusional gasbag.
But You Know that, don't you Bobby?
ok. we ran a thread recently about starting a new religion.. how about we start an international congregation here on the board.. we need 7 elders.
7 being a sign of perfection..er....yeah.. we need ministerial servants.. appointments will be general concensus..er holy spirit i mean.. p.o.
lets start with him.
Francoise, we need fun, not blood! Instead of dead chickens, we can meanacingly wave fried chicken legs towards Brooklyn, ritually, and then we can eat the chicken after we smoke the dope!
Joel has the sex part of the services covered in the bathroom...
whom do you trust?
according to apostates, god and his word can't be trusted because the bible is unreliable and jehovah god is a baby killer and murderer of innocent people.
trusting the watchtower is out of the question, because obviously, the whole thrust of the apostasy is aimed at discrediting the watchtower so as to create wicked suspicions and distrust in the minds of trusting ones, apparently with some success.
And of course, you apply that scripture to YOU!
LOL at your typically ubiquitous hubris.
Or in plain English, WHATTA SELF-ABSORBED ASSHOLE!
HAHRHARHARHAR!!!!!!!!!
Gotta love old Sideshow Bob...
whom do you trust?
according to apostates, god and his word can't be trusted because the bible is unreliable and jehovah god is a baby killer and murderer of innocent people.
trusting the watchtower is out of the question, because obviously, the whole thrust of the apostasy is aimed at discrediting the watchtower so as to create wicked suspicions and distrust in the minds of trusting ones, apparently with some success.
YOu just can't figure this out can you Robert?
You said, "You imagine yourselves to be so enlightened as regards what you imagine the truth is."
We never claimed we have any special 'enlightenment.' YOU are the one who goes around squawking what YOU imagine the truth to be, and sneering at anyone who doesn't agree with your baseless assertions. YOU imagine yourself so enlightened that you even know more than the ones who taught you your Bible research techniques in the first place! When you're not ranting you're railing.
And you have the childish audacity to pout when people refuse to take you seriously! What sort of buffoon do you think would eagerly CLAIM a vindictive sneering sarcastic bombast like YOU for King and Priest?
